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One Who Knows the Science of Krishna Can be Guru.

Srila Prabhupada extensively preached that one can be Guru If They Know the Science of Krishna.

Room Conversation—January 31, 1977, Bhuvanesvara:

Guest (1):

“Are you knowing people take diksa from many gurus?”

Prabhupada:

“No, diksa-guru is one. But siksa-guru can be many.”

Guest (1):

“But suppose diksa gurus or people take one mantra from one guru and other one…”

Prabhupada:

“Then you have not selected guru. You have selected some rascal. Guru can be…, cannot be different. Guru means one who knows the science of Krishna. Yei Krishna-tattva-vetta sei guru haya [Cc. Madhya 8.128]. Anyone who knows the science… So, suppose if you want to become medical man, you must go to a qualified medical man to learn. And if you go to a panwala, what he’ll teach you? That is your mistake. Guru cannot be different. Guru is one, one who knows the science of Krishna. If he does not know, then he is not guru. Why should you go there?”

Guest (1):

“How should we know that he knows about Krishna?”

Prabhupada:

“That requires your fortune. Little intelligence. Therefore, Caitanya Mahaprabhu says, ei rupe brahmanda bhramite kona bhagyavan jiva [Cc. Madhya 19.151]. That intelligence is for the most fortunate person. That is not ordinary thing. But guru means who knows the science of Krishna. If you go to a bogus man, that is your misfortune. So, this is the description of guru, yei krishna-tattva-vetta sei guru haya, Caitanya Mahaprabhu’s statement.  [Cc. Madhya 8.128]

‘It does not matter whether he is a sannyasi or grhastha or a brahmana or sudra. It does not matter. If he knows the science of Krishna, then he remains guru.’”

Guest (1):

“Science of Krishna. If he knows about Bhagavatam, Bhagavad-gita, or anything else…”

Prabhupada:

“To know about Krishna. It is not also difficult. Science of Krishna is there, Bhagavad-gita. Krishna speaks Himself. So, to know the science of Krishna is also not difficult. But because we are unfortunate, we go to rascal, and they interpret Bhagavad-gita in a rascaldom way, and we are missing. So, you should be very careful not to go to a rascal. Then your mission will be successful. If you want to purchase gold, you must go to a shop where actually gold is purchased, gold. If you do not know, then you’ll be cheated. That is not also very difficult. That I have repeatedly said. Those who are interpreting in their own way, Bhagavad-gita, he’s a rascal; he’s not guru. As soon as he says an interpretation, ‘I think like this,’ you reject that. Why should we think like that? You should preach what Krishna says. Then you are right. Why should you say something which Krishna does not say? Then you are misguided. He does not know Krishna. He’s not krishna-tattva-vetta. So, he’s cheating. That is going on. Krishna says, sarva-dharman parityajya mam ekam saranam vraja [Bhagavad-gita18.66], and these rascals say, ‘It is not to Krishna person.’  So, he’s a rascal. He’s taking Krishna’s book and preaching against it. So, what will be benefit if you go to such a rascal? Therefore, there is no difference between siksa-guru and diksa-guru because if he’s actually guru, he’ll not say anything which Krishna has not spoken.  So, guru is that. Caitanya Mahaprabhu says, [Cc. Madhya 7.128] ‘You become a guru’ And what is the function of the guru? That is there. You haven’t got to manufacture any instruction. Whatever is said in the Bhagavad-gita, you say. You try to convince him with logic, with philosophy, with your knowledge, same thing, not philosophy. That is intelligence. And suppose Krishna says, Bhagavad-gita. 18.66,

“Abandon all varieties of religion and just surrender unto Me. I shall deliver you from all sinful reactions. Do not fear.”

 Before that, Krishna has described everything, why you should surrender to Krishna. At last, He says, ‘You surrender to Me.’  So, there is no difficulty. Immediately Krishna does not say, ‘you surrender to Me.’ But after describing everything—karma-yoga, jnana-yoga, dhyana-yoga, so many things, politics, sociology, religion, everything—at last He says that ‘This is the most confidential part. You surrender unto Me.  So, one who has not surrendered to Krishna, how he can become guru? He’s a cheater.

Bhagavad-gita 7.19,

“After many births and deaths, he who is actually in knowledge surrenders unto Me”

One who has surrendered to Krishna, he’s actually jnanavan, (knowledgeable). And this jnanavan is possible after many, many births; not so easily, to surrender to Krishna. But if he’s there, such a person he is mahatma. That is mahatma, not by stamping, anyone, any person, can become mahatma. This is the symptom of mahatma, one who has surrendered to Krishna fully.  So that is guru, mahatma, Bhagavad-gita 7.19,

“After many births and deaths, he who is actually in knowledge surrenders unto Me”

Such mahatma is guru.  Bhagavad-gita 9.13,

“O son of Prtha, those who are not deluded, the great souls, are under the protection of the divine nature. They are fully engaged in devotional service because they know Me as the Supreme Personality of Godhead, original and inexhaustible.”

The guru has no other business than Krishna-bhajana. So that you have to see. You have to learn. You have to appreciate with persons who are actually engaged in Krishna-bhajana. Then you’ll understand.

Caitanya-caritamrta Madhya 23.14-15,

“In the beginning there must be faith. Then one becomes interested in associating with pure devotees. Thereafter one is initiated by the spiritual master and executes the regulative principles under his orders. Thus, one is freed from all unwanted habits and becomes firmly fixed in devotional service. Thereafter, one develops taste and attachment. This is the way of sadhana-bhakti, the execution of devotional service according to the regulative principles. Gradually emotions intensify, and finally there is an awakening of love. This is the gradual development of love of Godhead for the devotee interested in Krishna consciousness.”

 Bhagavad-gita 9.30,  

“Even if one commits the most abominable action, if he is engaged in devotional service he is to be considered saintly because he is properly situated in his determination.”

He’s sadhu. Who has no other business than Krishna!  Mix with such sadhu who are actually executing Krishna-bhajana. This is the description of the sadhu.

These things are there. There is no question of being misled. But if you purposefully mislead yourself, who can check? In the beginning you may commit some mistake, but when you study Bhagavad-gita—who is sadhu, who is mahatma, who is guru—then why shall we make, commit mistake again? If you have done mistake—you have gone to a rascal who is not Krishna conscious—then when you read Bhagavad-gita, you can understand. Why you are misled? Why you should be misled? If it is written on the road, “Keep to the left,” why should you be misled and go to the right? Go to the left. Then you are not misled. So here it is said, in Bhagavad-gita 9.13,

“Those who are not deluded, the great souls, are under the protection of the divine nature. They are fully engaged in devotional service because they know Me as the Supreme Personality of Godhead, original and inexhaustible.”

A mahatma means who is always engaged in Krishna consciousness. Why do you accept somebody as mahatma who does not speak about Krishna? Then you are misleading yourself.

Everything, direction, is there. Why you create your own mahatma? If you want to be cheated, who can check you? That is your fault. In Bhagavad-gita, 7.19, it is clearly said,

“After many births and deaths, he who is actually in knowledge surrenders unto Me.”

That is mahatma.   He’s mahatma. He’s sadhu. We shall go to him. Why shall we go to a rascal? Simple directions. So, if you are misled, if you are cheated, whose fault it is? But if you want to be cheated, who can check? Even though somebody by mistake has gone to a rascal, the book is there. As soon as you find out, “Here is a rascal who does not know anything about Krishna, and I have come to him,” reject him. That is stated in the sastra. Even by mistake you have come to a rascal who does not know how to become guru, you can reject him. Why should you stick to him? Reject him. And by mistake I have come to rascal. Why shall I continue to accept him as guru?  Canakya Pandita said,

 ‘Give up all rascals. Associate with sadhus.’

If you do not do that, that is your fault. We have to mix with sadhu. Sadhu means who are twenty-four-hours engaged in Krishna’s service. Things are there. Why should you mix with asadhu? Then how can you understand?

 If you have got little faith, then next business is to associate with sadhus.”

In Dharma, The Way of Transcendence 2, Srila Prabhupada wrote:

“So, everyone can practice bhakti-yoga under the guidance of a bona fide spiritual master, one who knows the science of Krishna. Don’t lose this opportunity of human life. Practice bhakti-yoga, be Krishna conscious, and make your life successful.”

Lecture Bhagavad-gita 7.1—Hong Kong, January 25, 1975:

“Of course, it is not possible to take the shelter of Krishna directly. That is not possible. May be possible by Krishna’s special mercy, but general process is you have to go through the mercy or process of accepting a guru.. And who is guru? Caitanya-caritamrta Madhya 8.128,

“It does not matter whether he is a sannyasi or grhastha or a brahmana or sudra. It does not matter. If he knows the science of Krishna, then he remains guru.”

There is no difficulty to find out. Sometimes they plead that ‘Whom I can accept as guru?’ That is… Caitanya Mahaprabhu has cleared. You haven’t got any trouble to find out guru. Anyone who knows about Krishna, he is guru.

So directly we cannot take shelter of Krishna. Therefore, one who has taken shelter of Krishna, one who knows the science of Krishna, one who knows what is Krishna—you take shelter of that person.. Taking shelter, that is the process of this Krishna consciousness movement. In the beginning, you have to take shelter of guru.  Then you inquire from him about Krishna. Then follow the footstep of big, big devotees; just like Prahlada Maharaja, a great devotee; Kapiladeva, a great devotee; and similarly, Brahma, a great devotee. Lord Siva is great devotee; Narada Muni, a great devotee.

There are especially twelve names are given in the sastras, that we have to follow them. That is called sampradaya. Sampradaya means coming in disciplic succession from the original guru. Just like Krishna instructed Brahma, so Brahma is one of the gurus. So, Brahma-sampradaya there is. Brahma-sampradaya. Our this Gaudiya-sampradaya belongs to that Brahma-sampradaya. In this way there is Ramanuja-sampradaya. This sampradaya comes from the goddess of fortune, Laksmiji. Sri-sampradaya. In this way there are twelve mahajanas. They are stated in the sastra.

Caitanya-caritamrta Madhya 17.186,

“Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu continued, ‘Dry arguments are inconclusive. A great Personality whose opinion does not differ from others is not considered a great sage. Simply by studying the Vedas, which are variegated, one cannot come to the right path by which religious principles are understood. The solid truth of religious principles is hidden in the heart of an unadulterated, self-realized person. Consequently, as the sastras confirm, one should accept whatever progressive path the mahajanas advocate.”

We have to take the path of mahajana, and the purpose is how to increase your attachment for Krishna. This is the business.

 Lecture Bhagavad-gita 7.3—Bombay-March 29, 1971:

So, it is not the question of a brahmacari, sannyasi or grhastha. Caitanya Mahaprabhu said, Caitanya-caritamrta Madhya 8.128,

It does not matter whether he is a sannyasi or grhastha or brahmacari. One who knows the science of Krishna and preaches all over the world, he is guru, spiritual master. It does not matter.’

Lecture on The Nectar of Devotion—Calcutta, January 28, 1973:

“It is a science. Just like Caitanya Mahaprabhu said Caitanya-caritamrta Madhya 8.128,

‘It does not matter whether he is a sannyasi or grhastha or brahmacari. One who knows the science of Krishna and preaches all over the world, he is guru, spiritual master. It does not matter’

So Caitanya Mahaprabhu confirmed it: It does not matter whether one is a grhastha or one is a sannyasi or one is a brahmana or not brahmana. It does not matter. Because this is not the science of this physiological ana…, anatomical science, or cobbler’s science. Cobbler’s science means cobbler knows what kind of skin it is. It is not like that. Neither cobbler’s science nor anatomical science or physiological science. Bhagavat-tattva-vijnanam. It is another science. So, anyone who is well-versed in bhagavat-tattva-vijnanam, he’s, he can become guru. Not others.”

Room Conversation—January 31, 1977, Bhuvanesvara:

Prabhupada:

“So siksa-guru becomes diksa-guru. But guru means one who knows the science of Krishna and teaches properly. That is all.”

Guest (1):

“Are you knowing people take diksa from many gurus?”

Prabhupada:

No, diksa-guru is one. But siksa-guru can be many.

Guest (1):

“But suppose diksa gurus or people take one mantra from one guru and other one…”

Prabhupada:

“Then you have not selected guru. You have selected some rascal. Guru can be…, cannot be different. Guru means one who knows the science of Krishna. Yei Krishna-tattva-vetta sei guru haya [Caitanya-caritamrta Madhya 8.128]. Anyone who knows the science… So, suppose if you want to become medical man, you must go to a qualified medical man to learn. And if you go to a panwala, what he’ll teach you? That is your mistake. Guru cannot be different. Guru is one, one who knows the science of Krishna. If he does not know, then he is not guru. Why should you go there?”

Guest (1):

“How should we know that he knows about Krishna?”

Prabhupada:

“That requires your fortune. Little intelligence. Therefore, Caitanya Mahaprabhu says Caitanya-caritamrta Madhya 19.151,

“According to their karma, all living entities are wandering throughout the entire universe. Some of them are being elevated to the upper planetary systems, and some are going down into the lower planetary systems. Out of many millions of wandering living entities, one who is very fortunate gets an opportunity to associate with a bona fide spiritual master by the grace of Krishna. By the mercy of both Krishna and the spiritual master, such a person receives the seed of the creeper of devotional service.”

That intelligence is for the most fortunate person. That is not ordinary thing. But guru means who knows the science of Krishna. If you go to a bogus man, that is your misfortune. So, this is the description of guru, Caitanya Mahaprabhu’s statement Caitanya-caritamrta Madhya 8.128, It does not matter whether he is a sannyasi or grhastha or a brahmana or sudra. It does not matter. If he knows the science of Krishna, then he remains guru.”

Guest (1):

“Science of Krishna. If he knows about Bhagavatam, Bhagavad-gita, or anything else…”

Prabhupada:

“To know about Krishna. It is not also difficult. Science of Krishna is there, Bhagavad-gita. Krishna speaks Himself. So, to know the science of Krishna is also not difficult. But because we are unfortunate, we go to rascal, and they interpret Bhagavad-gita in a rascaldom way, and we are missing. So, you should be very careful not to go to a rascal. Then your mission will be successful. If you want to purchase gold, you must go to a shop where actually gold is purchased, gold. If you do not know, then you’ll be cheated.”

Back To Godhead #59, 1973 A Spiritual Master Who Knows the Lord, Srila Prabhupada wrote:

“It is absolutely necessary to receive Srimad-bhagavatam from a bona fide spiritual master coming in disciplic succession and not from professional reciters or pseudo-devotees. A spiritual master is one who knows the science of Krishna consciousness. He must have given up all other engagements and be fixed solely in the service of the Lord. Such a spiritual master will always lead one towards Krishna and not away from Him. Krishna says, ‘Surrender unto Me only’, and the spiritual master says, ‘Surrender unto Krishna.’ He does not interpret Krishna’s words and say that it is not to Krishna that we must surrender. He delivers the message as it is, like a postman who delivers a letter to the addressee without opening it and changing what it says.”

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