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Home Page “Introduction”: First-Time Visitors to this Website, are requested to read the contents of this Home-Page

Home Page “Introduction”

First-Time Visitors to this Website, are requested to read the contents of this Home-Page

“First-Time Visitors to this Website” are encouraged to read the contents of this Home-Page, that starts with Segment 1 below.  Also, you have the option of listening to this Introduction and the 9 Home Page Segments, in the Audio Play List at the Beginning of this Home Page.

Otherwise, you may proceed, to the Saragrahi.org “Website Contents” Page. The button is in “White” colored font.  It is located at the top-left corner, if you are using a computer or Tablet.  I you are using a Smartphone, it will be at the Top; of this Pape, above.   It will “glow” brightly, when you hover the mouse pointer above it.  The contents of this “Website Contents” Page are briefly described in Home-Page Segment 3.

I know that for some of you, especially you “young” ladies and gentlemen; this Home-Page maybe be somewhat lengthy; but it is definitely “worth-it”. 

Nevertheless, as the saying goes, “you gotta-do, what you gotta-do”.  In other words, I will do whatever I have to do, even if there is some nature of difficulty for some; or I run the danger of discouraging you to investigate, consider, and contemplate the contents of this website.   Moreover, it does have the element of being “essential”. 

Srimad-bhagavatam 1.5.16 Purport:

The expert devotees also can discover novel ways and means to convert the nondevotees in terms of particular “time and circumstance.

Devotional service is “dynamic activity”, and the expert devotees can find out competent means to inject it into the dull brains of the materialistic population.  Such transcendental activities of the devotees for the service of the Lord can bring a new order of life to the foolish society of materialistic men. Lord Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu and His subsequent followers exhibited “expert dexterity”, in this connection.  By following the same method, one can bring the materialistic men of this age of 

quarrel into order for peaceful life and transcendental realization.”

Such discrimination is the “sine qua non[1]” of progressive spiritual life; so much so, that a saint of the highest spiritual attainment, is honored in India as a paramahamsa, which means, “supreme swan”.  This site is devoted to the encouragement of the Saragrahi mentality; primarily in relation to the philosophy, theology, and sadhana of Gaudiya Vaishnavism as presented by the acharyas Srila A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada, Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati Thakur, Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakur, Srila Jiva Goswami, Srila Krishna-dasa Kaviraja, Srila Vrindavana Dasa Thakur, and the Six Goswamis of Vrindavana.

However, we also recognize that spiritual wisdom and truth, are also to be found in non-Vedic sources of knowledge, such as the Jewish, Christian, Islamic traditions; and in addition, the Western philosophical tradition, and modern psychology, among others.  Integration of ideas from such sources, with the Vedic knowledge, and the teachings of the acharyas, are of great benefit to devotees living in modern society, particularly in the preaching field, and such diversity, will frequently be incorporated into these pages.

We hope to stimulate, and help develop our readers’ capacity for critical thinking, about “Spiritual Truth”; recognizing that such thinking is the means to attain a deep understanding of the essence of the teachings of shastra, sadhu, and guru.

This Website is intended to Facilitate:

  • Sadhana-bhakti— the beginning phase of devotional service, consisting of regulated practice, by following the rules and regulations of devotional service, to develop natural love for Krishna.
  • The Kanistha-adhikari—a neophyte devotee in the lowest stage of Vaisnava life.
  • The Madhyama-adhikari—devotee who worships the Lord with firm faith, makes friends with His devotees, preaches to the innocent, and avoids atheists; also known as a Madhyama-bhagavata.

[1] “sine qua non”: an essential condition”: a thing that is absolutely necessary; indispensable requirement.

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A Saragrahi is a person who seeks the essence of things.  In the Vedas, it is said that the swan is able to extract the milk from a mixture of milk and water. The swan is therefore symbolic of the discrimination required to perceive and accept the essential spiritual truth regardless of the particular form in which it is presented, which is the principle of “Desa-kala-patra”.  “According to Time, Atmosphere, &the Performer”; also known as the principle of “time, place, and circumstances”.

Current and future Modern Technology, and the Internet, will facilitate the preaching of Srila Prabhupada’ s Krishna-consciousness movement, and its dissemination all over the planet Earth.

  Srila Prabhupada did say,

Tax your brain and develop different ways of spreading Krishna consciousness.”

In this regard, “different ways” are unlimited.  Because Krishna is unlimited. 

Therefore, the principle of “Desa Kala Patra” is essential to the intent and purpose for the renewal of Saragrahi.org.

Desa, means situation.

Kala, means time.

Patra, means the subject/circumstance.  Hence, time-place-and-circumstance”, is very inherent to preaching Krishna-consciousness. 

We have to adept, according to time, according to place, and circumstance.  But we must keep our principles as it is, while making arrangement according to the circumstances.

Let us see what Srila Prabhupada wrote or spoke in regards to this principle.

In “Eight Prayers in Separation From My Spiritual Master by His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada December 1958”, Seventh Octet Distributing the Pure Devotional Process; Srila Prabhupada, wrote about his Spiritual Master:

Lord Gauranga used many tricks just to engage the conditioned souls in devotional service, and you have also understood how to use all those tricks perfectly well.

You understood time, place and circumstance, and utilized everything as a strategy for preaching.  Although observing your activities with their very eyes.  those who are blind like owls and other creatures of the night could not see your true purpose.”

Devotional service is “dynamic activity”, and the expert devotees can find out competent means to inject it into the dull brains of the materialistic population.  Such transcendental activities of the devotees for the service of the Lord can bring a new order of life to the foolish society of materialistic men. Lord Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu and His subsequent followers exhibited “expert dexterity“, in this connectionBy following the same method, one can bring the materialistic men of this age of quarrel into order for peaceful life and transcendental realization.”

Such discrimination is the “sine qua non[1]  of progressive spiritual life; so much so that a saint of the highest spiritual attainment is honored in India as a paramahamsa, “supreme swan”.  This site is devoted to the encouragement of the Saragrahi mentality; primarily in relation to the philosophy, theology, and sadhana of Gaudiya Vaishnavism as presented by the acharyas Srila A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada, Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati Thakura, Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakura, Srila Jiva Goswami, and the Six Goswamis of Vrindavana.

However, we also recognize that spiritual wisdom and truth, are also to be found in non-Vedic sources of knowledge, such as the Jewish, Christian & Islamic traditions, the Western philosophical tradition, and modern psychology, among others.  Integration of ideas from such sources with the Vedic knowledge and the teachings of the acharyas are of great benefit to devotees living in modern society, particularly in the preaching field, and such diversity will frequently be incorporated into these pages.

We hope to stimulate and help develop our readers’ capacity for critical thinking with regard to “Spiritual Truth”; recognizing that such thinking is the means to attain a deep understanding of the essence of the teachings of shastra, sadhu, and guru.

This Website is intended to Facilitate:

Sadhana-bhaktithe beginning phase of devotional service, consisting of regulated practice, by following the rules and regulations of devotional service to develop natural love for Krishna.

 The Kanistha-adhikaria neophyte devotee in lowest stage of Vaisnava life.

  The Madhyama-adhikaridevotee who worships the Lord with firm faith, makes friends with His devotees, preaches to the innocent, and avoids atheists; also know as an Madhyama-bhagavata.s

FOOT  NOTE:

[1] “sine qua non”: an essential condition”: a thing that is absolutely necessary; indispensable requirement.

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Home Page “Segment 1”: A Saragrahi is a person who seeks the essence of things

Home Page “Segment 1”

A Saragrahi is a person who seeks the essence of things

A Saragrahi is a person who seeks the essence of things.  In the Vedas, it is said that the swan is able to extract the milk from a mixture of milk and water. The swan is therefore symbolic of the discrimination required to perceive and accept the essential spiritual truth regardless of the particular form in which it is presented, which is the principle of “Desa-kala-patra”.  “According to Time, Atmosphere, &the Performer”; also known as the principle of “time, place, and circumstances”.

Current and future Modern Technology, and the Internet, will facilitate the preaching of Srila Prabhupada’ s Krishna-consciousness movement, and its dissemination all over the planet Earth.

  Srila Prabhupada did say,

Tax your brain and develop different ways of spreading Krishna consciousness.”

In this regard, “different ways” are unlimited.  Because Krishna is unlimited. 

Therefore, the principle of “Desa Kala Patra” is essential to the intent and purpose for the renewal of Saragrahi.org.

Desa, means situation.

Kala, means time.

Patra, means the subject/circumstance.  Hence, time-place-and-circumstance”, is very inherent to preaching Krishna-consciousness. 

We have to adept, according to time, according to place, and circumstance.  But we must keep our principles as it is, while making arrangement according to the circumstances.

Let us see what Srila Prabhupada wrote or spoke in regards to this principle.

In “Eight Prayers in Separation From My Spiritual Master by His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada December 1958”, Seventh Octet Distributing the Pure Devotional Process; Srila Prabhupada, wrote about his Spiritual Master:

Lord Gauranga used many tricks just to engage the conditioned souls in devotional service, and you have also understood how to use all those tricks perfectly well.

You understood time, place and circumstance, and utilized everything as a strategy for preaching.  Although observing your activities with their very eyes.  those who are blind like owls and other creatures of the night could not see your true purpose.”

Devotional service is “dynamic activity”, and the expert devotees can find out competent means to inject it into the dull brains of the materialistic population.  Such transcendental activities of the devotees for the service of the Lord can bring a new order of life to the foolish society of materialistic men. Lord Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu and His subsequent followers exhibited “expert dexterity“, in this connectionBy following the same method, one can bring the materialistic men of this age of quarrel into order for peaceful life and transcendental realization.”

Such discrimination is the “sine qua non[1]  of progressive spiritual life; so much so that a saint of the highest spiritual attainment is honored in India as a paramahamsa, “supreme swan”.  This site is devoted to the encouragement of the Saragrahi mentality; primarily in relation to the philosophy, theology, and sadhana of Gaudiya Vaishnavism as presented by the acharyas Srila A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada, Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati Thakura, Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakura, Srila Jiva Goswami, and the Six Goswamis of Vrindavana.

However, we also recognize that spiritual wisdom and truth, are also to be found in non-Vedic sources of knowledge, such as the Jewish, Christian & Islamic traditions, the Western philosophical tradition, and modern psychology, among others.  Integration of ideas from such sources with the Vedic knowledge and the teachings of the acharyas are of great benefit to devotees living in modern society, particularly in the preaching field, and such diversity will frequently be incorporated into these pages.

We hope to stimulate and help develop our readers’ capacity for critical thinking with regard to “Spiritual Truth”; recognizing that such thinking is the means to attain a deep understanding of the essence of the teachings of shastra, sadhu, and guru.

This Website is intended to Facilitate:

Sadhana-bhaktithe beginning phase of devotional service, consisting of regulated practice, by following the rules and regulations of devotional service to develop natural love for Krishna.

 The Kanistha-adhikaria neophyte devotee in lowest stage of Vaisnava life.

  The Madhyama-adhikaridevotee who worships the Lord with firm faith, makes friends with His devotees, preaches to the innocent, and avoids atheists; also know as an Madhyama-bhagavata.s

FOOT  NOTE:

[1] “sine qua non”: an essential condition”: a thing that is absolutely necessary; indispensable requirement.

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Home Page “Segment 2”: This new version of this Website, will apply the above; with the intention of facilitating a specific mission; the mission of Srila Prabhupada, which has been lost

Home Page “Segment 2”

This new version of this Website, will apply the above; with the intention of facilitating a specific mission; the mission of Srila Prabhupada, which has been lost

This new version of this Website, will apply the above; with the intention of facilitating a specific mission; the mission of Srila Prabhupada, which has been lost.  Simple said, Srila Prabhupada ISKCON, as we knew, and have never forgotten, does not exist anymore.  If you are an old Srila Prabhupada disciple, like myself, you know that is the “TRUTH” and nothing but the “TRUTH”.  His mission has been lost and ruined.  Actually, there are two (2), essential issues, that have caused this condition in ISKCON, and they will be addressed in a “serious” manner on this Website. 

You are now encouraged to read and study the Treatise “Moving Forward” A Case For the Reconstitution of Srila Prabhupada Mission.  This Treatise, and the Saragrahi mentality has built its foundation on “TRUTH”. 

Srila Prabhupada wrote in his Purport to Bhagavad-gita 10.4-5:

Satyam, truthfulness, means that facts should be presented as they are, for the benefit of others. Facts should not be misrepresented. According to social conventions, it is said that one can speak the truth only when it is palatable to others. But that is not truthfulness. The truth should be spoken in a straightforward way, so that others will understand actually what the facts are. If a man is a thief, and if people are warned that he is a thief, that is truth. Although sometimes the truth is unpalatable, one should not refrain from speaking it. Truthfulness demands that the facts be presented as they are for the benefit of others. That is the definition of truth.”

In this Website, it is possible that some may find some words “unpalatable”.  Nevertheless, because they are the “Truth”, this Treatise will do what Srila Prabhupada instructed, which is,

“Although sometimes the truth is unpalatable, one should not refrain from speaking it. Truthfulness demands that the facts be presented as they are for the benefit of others.”

In Part Two, His Message-Mission and Personality, Chapter: The Revolutionary Preacher of Truth, Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura Prabhupada’s Wrote, 

Unless we fearlessly speak the truth, Sri Sri Gauranga will not be pleased.  The more determined one is in devotional service, the bolder and more courageous he will be as a preacher.”

Yes!  This Website, will present the truth, although unpalatable to some, in a Bold, Fearless, Determined, Courageous, and Truthful manner,

“For the benefit of others.”, and “For the welfare of all.”

This new version of this Website, will apply the above; with the intention of facilitating a specific mission; the mission of Srila Prabhupada, which has been lost.  Simple said, Srila Prabhupada ISKCON, as we knew, and have never forgotten, does not exist anymore.  If you are an old Srila Prabhupada disciple, like myself, you know that is the “TRUTH” and nothing but the “TRUTH”.  His mission has been lost and ruined.  Actually, there are two (2), essential issues, that have caused this condition in ISKCON, and they will be addressed in a “serious” manner on this Website. 

You are now encouraged to read and study the Treatise “Moving Forward” A Case For the Reconstitution of Srila Prabhupada Mission.  This Treatise, and the Saragrahi mentality has built its foundation on “TRUTH”. 

Srila Prabhupada wrote in his Purport to Bhagavad-gita 10.4-5:

Satyam, truthfulness, means that facts should be presented as they are, for the benefit of others. Facts should not be misrepresented. According to social conventions, it is said that one can speak the truth only when it is palatable to others. But that is not truthfulness. 

The truth should be spoken in a straightforward way, so that others will understand actually what the facts are.

If a man is a thief, and if people are warned that he is a thief, that is truth. Although sometimes the truth is unpalatable, one should not refrain from speaking it. Truthfulness demands that the facts be presented as they are for the benefit of others. That is the definition of truth.”

In this Website, it is possible that some may find some words “unpalatable”.  Nevertheless, because they are the “Truth”, this Treatise will do what Srila Prabhupada instructed, which is,

“Although sometimes the truth is unpalatable, one should not refrain from speaking it. Truthfulness demands that the facts be presented as they are for the benefit of others.”

In Part Two, His Message-Mission and Personality, Chapter: The Revolutionary Preacher of Truth, Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura Prabhupada’s Wrote, 

Unless we fearlessly speak the truth, Sri Sri Gauranga will not be pleased.  The more determined one is in devotional service, the bolder and more courageous he will be as a preacher.”

Yes!  This Website, will present the truth, although unpalatable to some, in a Bold, Fearless, Determined, Courageous, and Truthful manner,

“For the benefit of others.”, and “For the welfare of all.”

Srila Prabhupada wrote in the above Purport:

Truthfulness demands that the facts be presented as they are for the benefit of others.”

So, who are the “others” who will “benefit” by such “truthfulness?”

These “others” means YOU, the readers of the contents of this Website, and the rest of the communities of Gaudiya Vaisnavas, who have not yet read it, for it is vital that they do. 

Many devotees may cry,

“Prabhu! Why can you not just be a humble; Vaisnava?  Are we not supposed to be humble?”

Srila Prabhupada gives the answer to this question in the following true story, that once in Vrindavan India, a disciple of Srila Prabhupada asked him.

“Srila Prabhupada!  What does it mean to be humble?”

Srila Prabhupada thought for a moment. And then in one very rapid motion, he clenched his fist, raised his arm up in the air, and slammed his fist on his desk.  This startled everyone.  At the exact same moment that Srila Prabhupada fist slammed on the desk, with a loud thump, Srila Prabhupada said,

“Be Bold for Krishna!”

The word “bold” at first glance, does not seem to be the same as “humble”.  The dictionary defines “humble” as,

“Having or showing a modest or low estimate of one’s own importance.”

Vaisnavas have 26 qualities.  Number 2 on that list is that “they are humble”. In this story just told, Srila Prabhupada said that “humble” means to “be bold for Krishna”.  Let us see what the word “bold” means:

“Showing an ability to take risks; confident and courageous”.

So, when Srila Prabhupada said, “be bold for Krishna”.  He is saying,

“That, as preachers of Krishna consciousness, we must take risks for Krishna with confidence and courage; and that is being humble”.

If we show modesty, because we have a low estimate of our importance; and lay-low, and ignore the “Truth”, for the purpose of showing “humility”.  That is not being “truthful” according to the definition Srila Prabhupada gave in the purport just sited.

Therefore, this Website will be “Bold for Krishna”.

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Home Page “Segment 3”: Website Contents Page Description

Home Page “Segment 3”

Website Contents Page Description

On the Top Half of the Website Contents Page, is entitled “9 Featured Presentations”.  These presentations are the reason for the resurrection of this Website, which stopped functioning in the summer of 2005, and was taken off the internet in 2013.  This resurrection is meant to facilitate the organization of, un-organized persons, websites, and other entities which have propped up on the internet, in the last 45 years, and which tried to deal with the disappearance of Srila Prabhupada, in one way or another.

The First 4 Presentations are;

  • A Treatise “Moving Forward” A Case for the Reconstitution of Srila Prabhupada’s Mission?
  • Srila Prabhupada Antya-lila: The Last Six Months, Was He Systematically Poisoned?
  • What Is The Eternal, Constitutional Function Of The Soul? Compiled From Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakur’s Jaiva-dharma (1896), without the Thakur’s Novel and Stories.

Number 1 is a first Edition, and more than likely, will change in the next few years, for its contents are ment to be dynamic, in order to accommodate like0minded devotees, and time, place, and circumstance.  It is more or less book size, (350 plus pages of MS Word Document), but has been broken down into Five Sections, containing 96 Segments in total.  Segments 1 to 92 have been completed, and Segments 93 to 96, are yet to be written.  The plan is that they will be completed sometime in the latter half of 2022.

It is expected, that once you start reading the Treatise “Moving Forward”, as you read each Segment, you will be stimulating to say something, speak your mind, so to speak; and your comments, questions, and thoughts will be very much welcomed.

Number 2 and 3 are only partially complete, and will be finished sometime in the latter half of 2022, as well.

Number 2 is very special, and you will read, never before published testimony, of mostly rank-and-file Srila Prabhupada disciples, recounting their personal association and experience with Srila Prabhupada during his last 6 months on this Planet Earth.  Many wonderful pastimes associating with Srila Prabhupada; and the tragic events leading up to his last breath of Earth’s atmosphere, in Vrindavana.  These interviews were supposed to be used in the writing of the book Srila Prabhupada Lilamrta.  The writer, being one of the 11 unscrupulous Srila Prabhupada disciples, who hi-jacked Srila Prabhupada’s mission to facilitate their own and collect personal vested interest, did

not use any of these transcribed interviews in writing the Lilamrta; he only relied on his personal dairy. 

The facilitator of this Website has possession of these typed transcriptions, which have a very interesting story, that you can read in the Introduction to this presentation.

Number 3, is The Nature & Constitutional Position of the Jiva/Soul: Compiled From Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakur’s Jaiva-dharma (1896), without the Thakur’s Novel & Stories, which he used as a vehicle, to convey to the Population of India at of the 1800’s, the Gaudiya Vaisnavas philosophy, and superlative knowledge regarding the nature of the human soul.  It is only the first 25 chapters, because after that, it is my understanding that one should not read further without proper qualification.  This presentation is suitable for anyone who has not achieved the perfection of chanting the holy names of Krishna.  After reading this presentation, you will come to understand that further chapters are meant only for those who chant the holy name purely, without committing any of the 10 offences to chanting the holy names of Krishna.

Presentation Number 4, is the famous book that addressed “The Origin of the Jiva Controversy”, that occurred in ISKCON Vrindavana in 1996

  • In Vaikuntha Not Even the Leaves Fall.

Finally, the remaining 5 presentations, Numbers 5, 6, 7, 8 and 9, are the integral components, of a body of works originally written in the mid-1990’s in Vrindavana India, and which was known, in the original version of the Saragrahi.org website as, “Aspects of Vaisnava Theory and Practice”.  These works deal with, explain and give information on two aspects.

“What Happened to ISKCON, and Why.” 

And,

 “How to Prevent it From Happening Again.”

These 5 are entitled:

  • Raising Our Spiritual Standards
  • Varieties of Dysfunctional Experience.
  • Faith, the Analytical Mind, and the Uttama Adhikari.
  • The Heart of Reform.
  • A Treatise on The “Three Modes of Material Nature”

The other half of the Website Contents Page, the right-side, has Two, (2), parts. 

The first part in entitled “F O R U M”.  It is a place where anyone can read essays, articles, or comments that have been published on this website.  Facilities will include ability to reply to anything published on this website, and when needed, create a “thread” type structure for certain subjects of interest, for the purpose of “Istagoshi”

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Home Page “Segment 4”: This Website, is a “Work and Progress” Endeavor.& A Request for Assistance

Home Page “Segment 4”

This Website, is a “Work and Progress” Endeavor & A Request for Assistance

This Website, is a “work and progress” end  eavor. There are several features to this website, and each feature has considerable material to be presented, and only so much can be done, daily.  FYI, I am 76-year-old, have survived a Cardiac-arrest 2 years ago, I am also legally Blind, with my left eye totally blind, and with the little and very poor vision I have in my right eye, I can only tolerate the strain for an hour or two, and them the vision starts to get really “foggy”, along with other weird-visual phenomena; due to the retina becoming swollen.  Nevertheless, I have vowed to my spiritual master, Srila Prabhupada, and Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu, and Lord Sri Krishna, that I will complete this effort, even if it kills me.  Going to my Dialysis treatments, and numerous VA Hospital Clinic appointment, takes many hours that I am not able to work on this project.  However, my nature is to use the remainder of my waking hours, until I am not able to continue, and I must take rest.

Hence, I humbly request assistance, which can be rendered virtually and on-line through the Internet.  Moreover, I am hoping that those who can write and communicate this wonderful, and superlative, Gaudiya Vaisnavas Philosophy, and Srila Prabhupada’s teachings, will step up and contribute to the purpose of this Web-site.

I have a very powerful Web-Building software tool, by the name of “Elementor Pro”.   The Elementor page builder is used not only by developers, but also by solo-entrepreneurs who run websites on their own.  Elementor has many professionals who use it in their practice of Web-site Designers and Developers. Nevertheless, what makes it stand out from the competition, is the intuitive and snappy UI (User-Interface).  It is superiors to Wixs & Go-Daddy to name a few. 

  It is easy to use, even for users without any design or development background.  I used to be a Business Computer System Consultant before I retired, and went to live in Vrindavana India in 1993.  I have been able to build this first version of this Web-site, with knowledgeable understanding of what I estimate is only 10% of this software’s capabilities.  I researched and found that in 2018 there was around 8 million users, and the beginning of 2019 brought that total to around 10 million.  The most recent figure I could find, is that it had reached 12 million users at the end of 2019.  As you may be able to figure out, I am hosting this Web-site at WordPress.com; which is used by many Blog-er, and Pod-casters.

In addition, I am looking for anyone who may have the skill in programing a “block-chain” applications; which will take this Website to a “higher-level” on the internet.  A “White Paper” will be written in order to stimulate this project into existence

You will see on the Saragrahi.org Content Page, what components will comprise this website.  If they do not have a “hyperlink”, that means that it is being worked on, and is not ready, and therefore, you will see what is in “work in progress”, and you might be inspired to help in some way.  The facilitator of this website, will welcome any assistance.  The development of this Website, is “Cloud-Based”, and is done in “Real-Time”.  Hence, anyone, on this Planet Earth, can participate in its development. 

Thank you for visiting our site.  We hope that you will find much of value to your spiritual life on these pages, and that many of you will participate with us in examining the philosophy and practice of Krishna consciousness for the benefit of all.   

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Home Page “Segment 5”: Specific Vision About Free Speech and Civility. Part 1: I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend with my life< your right to say it

Home Page “Segment 5”

Specific Vision About Free Speech and Civility.

Part 1

I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend with my life< your right to say it.

In relation to free speech a wise man said:

“I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend with my life< your right to say it.”

This attitude is profound.  It attends to one of the most basic needs in thinking persons, and demonstrates genuine respect for the individual in spite of whatever differences there may be.

The following is taken from an article posted on the “Old Saragrahi.org”, in which this became an issue for some.  It expresses the sincere mood of a person resisting, and protesting oppression; a person setting boundaries in order to avoid being violated:

This individual wrote:

“You want me to walk to your tune, and that is what I protest and resent, far more so than your point of view; for however you may justify it, the end result is that you, and the civility brigade, want me to function according to your lights, your realization, trying to make decisions for me, that are my call to make.  Meanwhile, I want to function according to my realization.  You are trying to dictate to me, and at the same time you imply, that you desire free speech.  Well then, why do articles by you and others try to make me conform to your conception about how I ought to speak?  Is that free?”

The “New Saragrahi.org” facilitators wish to express this website’s specific vision and position about free speech and civility.

If we fail to honor this basic need of thinking men, are not we being uncivil?

Put another way, if on the plea of preventing feathers from being ruffled, we establish rules that deny a person the right to exercise his individuality, “are not we ruffling his feathers?

And, ironically, in denying a person the right to speak as he chooses, “are not we, while deliberating on the most personal philosophy, behaving impersonally?

This website thinks so.

“Free, is that I say what I think, and you are free to read it or not.”  It keeps intact everyone’s freedom of expression, and if the faint-hearted find it threatening, let him or her observe and learn to deliberate more before speaking.

Saragrahi.org has a specific vision about free speech and civility.

To call a point of view “shallow sentiment”, for example, is neither uncivil or a personal attack.  It is either true or untrue.  That is all.  Moreover, it simply calls for us to hold it up against the backdrop of our philosophy and reason.  It is not, that our ruffled feelings, become the yardstick, for whether the remark is exactly suitable and appropriate or not.  Actually, we should feel embarrassed at our foolishness, and somewhat thankful, that it was exposed, rather than focusing on “how” it was done.  How I felt and so on.  That is actual Vaishnava.

Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakura made a distinction between those he considered madhyamas and komalas.  In a nutshell, the komala shraddhas (those with tender faith), tend to be very literal and simplistic, in their spirituality, cleaving to tradition and so forth.  And the madhyamas, well they tend to require a rational basis for their beliefs.  They find great appeal in statements such as “worships Me with his intelligence.” They get inspiration from things such as “speaks with logic and reason based on shastra and has faith that is not blind.” 

Therefore, Bhaktivinoda reckons that preaching that is inspiring to the komalas, does not inspire the madhyamas, who find it somewhat infantile, at least some of the time.  

And preaching that is inspiring to the madhyamas, may ruin the faith of the komalas.  Moreover, Bhaktivinoda, holds that most of the shastras, and tikas (commentaries), etc. have been written for the komalas, or at least largely with them in mind.

Now, both of these types of seekers are eligible for Krishna bhakti.  Let us be clear on this point, and soon we will cite Srila Prabhupada on this very point.  However, having said that, let us point out that these two types, are not equally eligible for bhakti.  Yes, the komala shraddha folk, are not as eligible for bhakti as the madhyama

Bhaktivinoda considers the madhyama on a better footing of eligibility, than the komala shraddhas.  Hence his choice of “tender faith” to classify them.

However, at any given moment in time, the komalas invariably outnumber the madhyamas.  And there is a tendency for them to think that because of numerical majority; that they have a better take on eligibility.  They filter philosophy, so that they translate their simple faith into a virtue.  They think

“We do not believe in all this rationality and so forth.  We already love Krishna so much.  We already accept so many things in the shastra.  We do not have all these doubts and questions.  We are fixed up.”

They speak and quote the high-minded words of others, without an iota of realization, and would cut a comical figure, if they were not so tragic in their skewered understanding.  Comical, because they remind the madhyama of a child putting on his father’s shoes, coat and hat, and bumbling along trying to look, sound, and act as an adult, but ending up only as an amusement. 

But they become tragic, because they are really stuck in that komala place.  “Soft faith.  Whereas the madhyama attains firm faith because of understanding with clear logic and reason, based on the shastra.  The madhyama has unshakable faith.

Komalas tend to make a mess of the scriptural reasoning in order to bolster their belief, their blind faith, which they also manage to convince themselves, is not at all blind, but the real thing.  Despite (or because of) this ability, to twist their perceptions, Bhaktivinoda calls them persons of tender faith, komala shraddha. 

A madhyama, seeks other madhyamas for association to discuss the Absolute Truth on the basis of Bhagavad-gita 10.9,

“The thoughts of My pure devotees’ dwell in Me, their lives are fully devoted to My service, and they derive great satisfaction and bliss from always enlightening one another and conversing about Me.”

Hence, madhyamas will canvass far and wide.  Madhyamas will give a chance to people, to find out if they are komalas or madhyamas by inclination.

In the end, however, the madhyamas focus on exchanges with other madhyamas, rather than harm the faith of the komalas, who may pitch up from time to time, and even want to float arguments for blind faith, which some are more adept than others at hiding. 

They usually try to present their anti-rational stance, as a superior understanding of God, superior faith and so on.  Meanwhile, God Himself is saying, “The topmost devotee has faith that is not blind.” 

Caitanya-caritamrta 22.66, Lord Caitanya says,

“‘One who is expert in logic and in understanding the revealed scriptures, and who always has firm conviction and deep faith that is not blind, is to be considered a topmost devotee in devotional service.”

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Home Page “Segment 6”: Specific Vision About Free Speech and Civility. Part 2: Srila Prabhupada has something to say about “blind faith”

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Specific Vision About Free Speech and Civility.

Part 2

Srila Prabhupada has something to say about “blind faith”

Moreover, Srila Prabhupada has something to say about “blind faith” in Purport to Bhagavad-gita 17.2.

“The Supreme Personality of Godhead said: According to the modes of nature acquired by the embodied soul, one’s faith can be of three kinds—in goodness, in passion or in ignorance.  Now hear about this.”

PURPORT

“Those who know the rules and regulations of the scriptures but out of laziness or indolence give up following these rules and regulations are governed by the modes of material nature.  According to their previous activities in the mode of goodness, passion or ignorance, they acquire a nature which is of a specific quality.  The association of the living entity with the different modes of nature has been going on perpetually; since the living entity is in contact with material nature, he acquires different types of mentality according to his association with the material modes.  But this nature can be changed if one associates with a bona fide spiritual master and abides by his rules and the scriptures.  Gradually, one can change his position from ignorance to goodness, or from passion to goodness.  The conclusion is that blind faith in a particular mode of nature cannot help a person become elevated to the perfectional stage.  One has to consider things carefully, with intelligence, in the association of a bona fide spiritual master.  Thus one can change his position to a higher mode of nature.”

Devotees have a rational approach to bhakti (logic and reason based on the shastra).

In the Bhagavad-gita we find this verse (10:10):

“To those who are constantly devoted to serving Me with love, I give the understanding by which they can come to Me.”

In the purport Prabhupada basically explains the madhyama eligibility in the course of explaining buddhi-yoga, which he says is a “very significant” word in the verse.  In fact he equates bhakti yoga with buddhi yoga:

“In this verse the word buddhi-yogam is very significant.  We may remember that in the Second Chapter the Lord, instructing Arjuna, said that He had spoken to him of many things and that He would instruct him in the way of buddhi-yoga.  Now buddhi-yoga is explained.  Buddhi-yoga itself is action in Krishna consciousness; that is the highest intelligence.  Buddhi means intelligence, and yoga means mystic activities or mystic elevation.  When one tries to go back home, back to Godhead, and takes fully to Krishna consciousness in devotional service, his action is called buddhi yoga.  In other words, buddhi-yoga is the process by which one gets out of the entanglement of this material world.  The ultimate goal of progress is Krishna.  People do not know this; therefore the association of devotees and a bona fide spiritual master are important.  One should know that the goal is Krishna, and when the goal is assigned, then the path is slowly but progressively traversed, and the ultimate goal is achieved.”

Then, two paragraphs later, Prabhupada basically explains the komala shraddha platform, stating that if the person is “not intelligent enough to make progress, then Krishna from within gives him instructions.”  He mentions this point twice, to emphasize that the lack of intelligence can be a serious matter.  And the implication is that while those persons may be successful in their bid for Krishna consciousness, they are not quite as eligible as the persons he described in the first paragraph of the same purport.

“A person may have a bona fide spiritual master and may be attached to a spiritual organization, but still, if he is not intelligent enough to make progress, then Krishna from within gives him instructions so that he may ultimately come to Him without difficulty.  The qualification is that a person always engage himself in Krishna consciousness and with love and devotion render all kinds of services.  He should perform some sort of work for Krishna, and that work should be with love.  If a devotee is not intelligent enough to make progress on the path of self-realization but is sincere and devoted to the activities of devotional service, the Lord gives him a chance to make progress and ultimately attain to Him.”

So, we have the komala party, and the madhyama party, and if we belong to one group, we are advised to leave the other group be, and vice versa.  In light of all this, understand that this site will give the opportunity for anyone to determine their inclination in this regard.

By the very name, Saragrahi, this is a site for madhyamas not the komalas.  

So if komalas did show up, and were to find out that this is not for them and leave, what is the difficulty? 

We see no difficulty at all.  It is only a difficulty if we were invested in bleeding-heart notions about the matters that this Website is concerned about.  But Bhaktivinoda did not confuse a bleeding heart, with compassion.  He even said his book was not for komalas.  And so, is this site. 

But if a bunch of komalas show up and try to make this into their facility, rationalizing their bid with sentiments about compassion, tolerance, the mission of Lord Chaitanya, not losing the newcomers, and so forth, then we see a lot of difficulty because the site becomes “Saragrahi”, in name only.  Yet another Internet haven for devotees whose main merit is hovering in the same smelling, and extremely unpleasant space, for the last 45 years, and not in fact learning to be “the brain of the social body.”  Why cannot we have some facility for achieving this function? 

Komalas are mired in rutted thinking, convention, the social parampara, pseudo-substance, clichés, because they lack the brain capacity for independent thoughtfulness.  They invariably parrot philosophy.  They do not hold the promise to be the true intelligent class.  This is our philosophy; it is not some brutal judgment.  They are not keen to become critical thinkers in other words.  So Bhaktivinoda held that discourse, that is inspiring to them is simply trash to the madhyama, and preaching that inspires the madhyama, may harm the faith of the komalas.

Saragrahi.org is a site for madhyamas.  It is also for aspiring madhyamas, those who understand their komala situation or inclination, but desire to advance to the platform of the madhyamas.  If you are such a person, come here and learn, read the presentations, and ask questions, and express your doubts; and I can assure you that your questions will be answered, and your doubts will be dispelled, by those who are madhyamas.  To associate and exchange ideas in an atmosphere of critical thinking.  So if this does not work for “everyone” that should not be a surprise.  Why lament about it? 

Is not this elitist?”

Not at all.  It is no more elitist than the simple recognition of the fact that philosophy, I mean serious analytical dialogue about philosophy, the practice of hardheaded realism (which does not mean or imply absence of a soft heart) is for the few, and that is simply a fact of life.  For the masses, kirtan and prasadam. 

But the mass does not know this, you see.  So the mass will show up here from time to time, and they will see, that here critical thinking is practiced, and social convention moves to the back row, and they will opt out, and that is good for those who are keen to be Saragrahis.

When there is kirtan and prasadam, then “everyone” can be happy.  When there is philosophy, then “everyone” should not start chattering all at once.  Komalas can listen in, or go to another part of town.  Why is this problematic in any way whatsoever? 

The success of this site is not that everyone participates, or even a lot of people.  The success is in the quality of the thinking, that goes into participating, the degree of penetrative rational capacity that participants, and observers develop, even if only three people.  It would please Prabhupada, who was willing to be pleased, if he made only ONE pure devotee.  And we do not doubt him.  So if this group leans towards soft-headedness, seeking to be popular, we would consider it a hands-down failure.

Mind you, komalas are always a majority, madhyamas are always a minority.  By sheer numerical superiority, they want to meddle, and dictate and impose, their mediocre standard on others.  This will not happen on this site.

Since Prabhupada wanted to facilitate the practice of independent thoughtfulness, and we have failed to create such an atmosphere for this practice, in any locality that we are aware of.  Our hope is that this site would be the facility for that; having called the site Saragrahi.

The focus of those on Saragrahi.org is to seek essences, and TRUTH, not to dictate how it should be put before them.  So our own stuff comes under such scrutiny.  We believe this is a core value of the Bhagavata philosophy.  

When readers of this site read a posting, the aim should be to extract essence, and not make an issue of the author’s style or manner of presentation.  It is entirely up to each reader to sift the data and find the substance.

Compassion is to feel for a person’s plight of being mired in illusion, gross and subtle.  And to cut through that, is real compassion.

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Home Page “Segment 7”: Specific Vision About Free Speech and Civility. Part 3: An author should not accept responsibility for others’ feelings. An author should accept responsibility for his own feelings

Home Page “Segment 7”

Specific Vision About Free Speech and Civility.

Part 3

 An author should not accept responsibility for others’ feelings. An author should accept responsibility for his own feelings

An author should not accept responsibility for others’ feelings.  An author should accept responsibility for his own feelings.  And an author should expect that on this site, others will do likewise, because that is such a rudimentary lesson of the Bhagavad-gita, rather than the societal idea of making others responsible for your feelings, which is a way to gag people from being honest with each other.  And if an author’s style is objectionable to anyone, or people find there is not enough content in what the author offers, then they are free to skip over these efforts.  Anyone is free to skip over others that they find hollow, or their style gets up their nose.  That is not to say that they would never make a suggestion about someone’s style, but to talk incessantly about it, on the forum, and to float simplistic “philosophy” to justify it, well, that is just not a good stance for anyone.  Mostly everyone believes in freedom of speech.  But on this site, we want to see intelligent speech.  Why not?  This is “Saragrahi” after all.

In regards to “the newcomers”, which is of a big concern for may Vaisnava organizations, and thus they put a lot of significances on them.  Previously, this site was not oriented for the newcomers.  Time, place, and circumstance, means that there has to be an adjustment in this regard.  This site will also provide material, essays, treatises, papers, and dialog, that will educate a newcomer to the REAL Kåñëa-consciousness, and to the REAL Mission that Srila Prabhupada desired.  This is not a recruitment site.  Although newcomers are welcomed to come and listen and participate if they can, this is not the purpose of this site or its concern.  This site is all about old-timers developing their capacity to think clearly and so forth, penetrating the philosophy together?  Remember, the Sanskrit word for philosophy is darshana, meaning “to see.”  So what about that concern?  Why must everything be about recruiting, while old timers are “stagnating?”  What about “preaching among themselves”?  Saragrahi.org is the ideal site for that. 

Again, time, place and circumstance, has after 45 years, made it mandatory that we build a strong class of madhyamas, because they will be the one who provide ‘siksa”, and be the “sika-gurus”, that komalas will need, so they can be raised to the madhyama platform.  In this case, facilitating advanced madhyamas to elevate themselves to the uttama platform and thus be eligible to be diksa-gurus.  It would be kind of inconsiderate, to make advancement as a madhyama, and leave the komalas behind.  Hey!  Why not string them along, and pull them up to the madhyama platform, and save them from their komala status.

 ISKCON is just one bunch of kanistha-adhikaris, stuck in the komala-place.  They have fallen into the ISKCON DECEPTION; someone, or something, needs to save them.  Saragrahi.org will provide for this facility too.  If you someone who fits this shoe, so to speak, then read the Featured Presentation A Treatise “Moving-Forward”, it has been written 

especially for you; it will free you from the ISKCON DECEPTION, and it will awaken you to understand exactly what Srila Prabhupada’s Mission was supposed to be like.

Free speech is that anyone can say what he or she thinks, and everyone else is free to read it or not.

  • There may be posts, by certain persons, that someone else will simply not read at all.
  • There may be posts by, certain persons that someone else will simply just scan.
  • And there may be posts, by certain persons that someone else will never fail to read.
 

So this site’s approach is that all, are free to speak, and everyone else is also free to decide whom they tune in to, or pass over.  That is free speech. 

Not the idea that we have to speak like this, and like that because of “them,” “feelings,” and newcomers, and because when Prabhupada spoke frankly, it was because he was with high-ranking people who were “proud.”

A site called Saragrahi should be somewhat intimidating, just by the nature of the enterprise.  Yes, a wide variety is welcomed and very nice, if they have something intelligent to say.  Saragrahi.org is not a safe place for stupidity.  Those who wish to contribute varieties of verbal vomit, should be made to feel unwelcome.  The pseudo-intelligent, (a person who wants to be thought of as having a lot of intelligence and knowledge, but who is not really intelligent or knowledgeable), should not be encouraged, although they are also free to post; and indeed they will.  And the downright asinine, are also free to post, and indeed there will be some of them too.  And hopefully, if they listen, they will get a grip, and control the urge to speak.  But Saragrahi.org, will not encourage them, in the name of variety, or in the name of civility.

If someone posts foolish ideas, then s/he should expect them to get hashed, trashed, and mashed.  And if s/he has a true aptitude for being a saragrahi, s/he will be appreciative and stick around, and learn how to hold their ground, with logic and reason.  So anyone may speak, and then stand or fall in the public, and if s/he is silly or stupid, and persists, then they may get an invitation to go to another part of town, and that is good for them, and for this site as well.

In all cases, we should expect that our efforts would be put under rational critical scrutiny, because this is what madhyamas or Saragrahis do, facing life, with an alert analytical eye.  Not taking a 6 for a 9.  Blue for yellow.  Up for down.  Or “doo-doo” for halava.  It is their default way of functioning, you see.  But they do so against the backdrop of reason and philosophy, not social convention, the herd’s point of view, and the various sentiments we have taken on board, in the name of philosophy, and human decency, and worrying about “feeling” more than about whether people make good sense.  

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Home Page “Segment 8”: Specific Vision About Free Speech and Civility. Part 4: A Person of Integrity!

Home Page “Segment 8”

 Specific Vision About Free Speech and Civility.

 Part 4

A Person of Integrity! 

Scott Peck is a man many people respect.  He is a thoughtful man.  He is so concerned about civility, he wrote a whole book about it, yet he also says this, about the person of integrity:

 “One of the things a calling to be an individual of integrity means, is a calling to speak out, to be outspoken.  We are called to overcome the psychology of helplessness, of reticence.  If we see a lie, we are called to name it a lie.  If we see insanity, we are called to name it as such. . .  Yes, there are some who may find it upsetting, but perhaps they need to be upset.  There are others who will respond to your outspokenness, with gratitude for that leadership that gives them the courage to speak out about it.”

ou may say Scott is not a follower of Lord Chaitanya, but this site is saying that a follower of Lord Chaitanya in fact accepts this view of integrity wholesale, as indicated by quotes posted on this site by Prabhupada and Bhaktisiddhanta.  We all should accept it.  Naming silly sentiments as such, calling lies lies, not being seduced by pseudo-philosophy, the whole nine yards, with malice towards none. 

Srila Prabhupada puts Mr. Pecks words into Kåñëa-consciousness terms in his Purport to Bhagavad-gita 10.4-5.

Srila Prabhupada wrote in his Purport to Bhagavad-gita 10.4-5:

Satyam, truthfulness, means that facts should be presented as they are, for the benefit of others.  Facts should not be misrepresented.  According to social conventions, it is said that one can speak the truth only when it is palatable to others.  But that is not truthfulnessThe truth should be spoken in a straightforward way, so that others will understand actually what the facts are.  If a man is a thief, and if people are warned that he is a thief, that is truthAlthough sometimes the truth is unpalatable, one should not refrain from speaking it.  Truthfulness demands that the facts be presented as they are for the benefit of others.  That is the definition of truth.

Like when friends spar in martial arts school.  It is to help both people, and your opponent is your friend, but you still throw the bugger 20 feet if you can.  Do you hate him?  Not at all.  Later, he can have dinner at your table.  That’s all.

If we would all learn to be open and straightforward people, what a relief that would be for all of us.  What a foundation for love and trust.  But if we use philosophy to obfuscate, rather than clarify, because our real agenda is fear to be ourselves, fear to live with integrity in social interactions.  Fear to say,

“My gracious, but you do talk a lot of drivel, Prabhu.” 

Of course we baffle ourselves first with the philosophy, and then things proceed from there.  And our other agenda is to be popular, giving or getting a nice stroking.  And if we meet someone who does not go along, we start “preaching.” And if that does not work, we try to isolate them from the herd.  We who are serious about simple living and high thinking, should be alert to all this foolishness.

According to Prabhupada, writing is for the smart ones, those of brahminical nature.  Not for all and miscellaneous.  Makes a shipload of sense.  So the Forum is open to anyone to have a go, and not say something “too foolish,” but for those who cannot cut it, give us a break, move to the side.  Listen.  Or else we will give your drivel the treatment it deserves.  We do not want to be reticent and helpless, while privately thinking, “Gee whiz, what a jerk.”

As a matter of fact, Saragrahi.org is a great place to sort this all out, but first you have to be willing to deal with people who call a spade a spade, people whose first concern is making sense and NOT making each other feel warm and fuzzy.  So, if anyone is going to wince too much and invoke “civility” then that soul is pretty much in the wrong part of town.  No big deal, really, just call a cab and move on out.

This site is not at all interested in encouraging “everyone.”  It is interested in encouraging the smart ones.  Let the non-smart go somewhere else.  Practically the whole rest of the devotee world is geared up for the non-smart segment.  So this site is one place where the smart can confer and churn this philosophy for a change.  This mood is in total agreement with our philosophy, which divides society into four classes according to nature, in which the guru teaches the smartest ones about Brahman, and they become the brain of the social body, and non-smart fellas or ladies, get the rudiments and other stuff, ranging from administration down to labor.

We may preach and canvas widely, but then we should boil the milk, as Prabhupada wanted.  For the mass, “kirtan and prasadam and a little philosophy,” but on this site, why make it all about the mass?  Why not has a site to encourage the bright people?  This site is totally about that.  What moral or philosophical grounds can anyone give to refute this idea?

ISKCON and other Vaishnava groups are an embarrassing mess.  A community that caters to the morons, that fosters morons; a community about simple thinking and high living instead of the other way around.  Devotees can quote this and cite that, but they cannot think clearly for beans, which is to say they are not even experiencing the equilibrium symptomatic of sattva guna, what to speak of going beyond that. 

Makes you wonder, does not it?  And when you point out their stupidity to them, rather than pause and update their thinking, invariably they compound their folly by going into mudha overdrive and accuse you of not having humility, of being offensive,

 and a host of other programmed reactions, and defenses against reality.  What a farce.  Some call it the twit factor, a. silly or foolish person.

Meanwhile, Prabhupada wanted us to boil the milk.  He wanted class, not mass.  This is not just the interpretation of Saragrahi.org.  So Saragrahi.org is a site with this emphasis.  This site is not for the masses.  Even if this site is a facility for only three, six, or nine participants who mostly say something of substance, who stimulate each other and those who read them, who give each other and those who read them something to think about, or who give a new insight or a fresh take on an old one.  Yes, this site is for them.

Here, philosophy and reason sit in the place of honor and the rest of us sit on the floor.  And we can speak our minds, and then have it mulled over in light of the philosophy and reason.  And if someone does not make sense it will show.  No big deal in that.  But if someone is absurd, not yielding to philosophy or reason, or is simply clueless about how to conduct rational discourse, yet cannot zip up, then that will be dealt with summarily at some point, and the sooner the better.  The upshot is that those who ride out the process learn to think for themselves, they learn independent thoughtfulness, and this is something Prabhupada wanted in his followers.  Those who like their thinking, to come in a can, are welcome to go elsewhere.

Of course we baffle ourselves first with the philosophy, and then things proceed from there.  And our other agenda is to be popular, giving or getting a nice stroking.  And if we meet someone who does not go along, we start “preaching.” And if that does not work, we try to isolate them from the herd.  We who are serious about simple living and high thinking, should be alert to all this foolishness.

According to Prabhupada, writing is for the smart ones, those of brahminical nature.  Not for all and miscellaneous.  Makes a shipload of sense.  So the Forum is open to anyone to have a go, and not say something “too foolish,” but for those who cannot cut it, give us a break, move to the side.  Listen.  Or else we will give your drivel the treatment it deserves.  We do not want to be reticent and helpless, while privately thinking, “Gee whiz, what a jerk.”

As a matter of fact, Saragrahi.org is a great place to sort this all out, but first you have to be willing to deal with people who call a spade a spade, people whose first concern is making sense and NOT making each other feel warm and fuzzy.  So, if anyone is going to wince too much and invoke “civility” then that soul is pretty much in the wrong part of town.  No big deal, really, just call a cab and move on out.

This site is not at all interested in encouraging “everyone.”  It is interested in encouraging the smart ones.  Let the non-smart go somewhere else.  Practically the whole rest of the devotee world is geared up for the non-smart segment.  So this site is one place where the smart can confer and churn this philosophy for a change.  This mood is in total agreement with our philosophy, which divides society into four classes according to nature, in which the guru teaches the smartest ones about Brahman, and they become the brain of the social body, and non-smart fellas or ladies, get the rudiments and other stuff, ranging from administration down to labor.

We may preach and canvas widely, but then we should boil the milk, as Prabhupada wanted.  For the mass, “kirtan and prasadam and a little philosophy,” but on this site, why make it all about the mass?  Why not has a site to encourage the bright people?  This site is totally about that.  What moral or philosophical grounds can anyone give to refute this idea?

ISKCON and other Vaishnava groups are an embarrassing mess.  A community that caters to the morons, that fosters morons; a community about simple thinking and high living instead of the other way around.  Devotees can quote this and cite that, but they cannot think clearly for beans, which is to say they are not even experiencing the equilibrium symptomatic of sattva guna, what to speak of going beyond that.  Makes you wonder, does not it?  And when you point out their stupidity to them, rather than pause and update their thinking, invariably they compound their folly by going into mudha overdrive and accuse you of not having humility, of being offensive, and a host of other programmed reactions, and defenses against reality.  What a farce.  Some call it the twit factor, a. silly or foolish person.

Meanwhile, Prabhupada wanted us to boil the milk.  He wanted class, not mass.  This is not just the interpretation of Saragrahi.or.  So Saragrahi.org is a site with this emphasis.  This site is not for the masses.  Even if this site is a facility for only three, six, or nine participants who mostly say something of substance, who stimulate each other and those who read them, who give each other and those who read them something to think about, or who give a new insight or a fresh take on an old one.  Yes, this site is for them.

Here, philosophy and reason sit in the place of honor and the rest of us sit on the floor.  And we can speak our minds, and then have it mulled over in light of the philosophy and reason.  And if someone does not make sense it will show.  No big deal in that.  But if someone is absurd, not yielding to philosophy or reason, or is simply clueless about how to conduct rational discourse, yet cannot zip up, then that will be dealt with summarily at some point, and the sooner the better.  The upshot is that those who ride out the process learn to think for themselves, they learn independent thoughtfulness, and this is something Prabhupada wanted in his followers.

Those who like their thinking to come in a can, might find this website’s content, a little hard to assimilate.  But, do not give up, because if you are sincere, and serious, then all will turn out well in the end.

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Hare Krishna

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