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Sri Nam is Equal to Sri Kåñëa, Please Never Forget. Dedicated to A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupäda. Who so boldly and confidently said, Every Thing Is in My Books”. “My books will be the law-books for the next 10,000 years.” He lives Forever by His Divine Instructions. And his Follower Lives with Him. I offer my respectful obeisance’s unto His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupäda, who is very dear to Lord Kåñëa, having taken shelter at His lotus feet. Our respectful obeisance’s are unto you, O spiritual master, servant of Bhaktisiddhänta Sarasvaté Öhäkura Gosvämé Mahäräja Prabhupäda . You are kindly preaching the message of Lord Caitanya deva and delivering the Western countries, which are filled with impersonalism and voidism. O most munificent incarnation. You are Kåñëa Himself appearing as Çré Kåñëa Caitanya Mahäprabhu. You have assumed the golden color of Srimati Radharani. and You are widely distributing pure love of Kåñëa. We offer our respectful obeisance’s unto You. I offer my respectful obeisance’s unto Lord Kåñëa, who is the worship able Deity for all Brähmaëas the well-wisher of the cows and the Brähmaëas and the benefactor of the whole world. I offer my repeated obeisance’s to the Personality of Godhead, known as Kåñëa and Govinda. I offer my respectful obeisance’s unto Lord Çré Kåñëa Caitanya Mahäprabhu, Lord Nityänanda Prabhu, Çré Advaita Äcärya Prabhu, Çré Gadädhara Paëòit , Çréväsa Thakur , and all the devotees of Lord Caitanya. om ajïäna-timirändhasya jïänäïjana-çaläkayä cakñur unmélitaà yena tasmai çré-gurave namaù çré-caitanya-mano-'bhéñöaà sthäpitaà yena bhü-tale svayaà rüpaù kadä mahyaà dadäti sva-padäntikam I was born in the darkest ignorance, and my spiritual master opened my eyes with the torch of knowledge. I offer my respectful obeisances unto him. When will Çréla Rüpa Gosvämé Prabhupäda, who has established within this material world the mission to fulfill the desire of Lord Caitanya, give me shelter under his lotus feet? [Çré Guru Praëäma] vande 'haà çré-guroù çré-yuta-pada-kamalaà çré-gurun vaiñëaväàç ca çré-rüpaà sägrajätaà saha-gaëa-raghunäthänvitaà taà sa-jévam sädvaitaà sävadhütaà parijana-sahitaà kåñëa-caitanya-devaà çré-rädhä-kåñëa-pädän saha-gaëa-lalitä-çré-viçäkhänvitäàç ca I offer my respectful obeisances unto the lotus feet of my spiritual master and unto the feet of all Vaiñëavas. I offer my respectful obeisances unto the lotus feet of Çréla Rüpa Gosvämé along with his elder brother Sanätana Gosvämé, as well as Raghunätha Däsa and Raghunätha Bhaööa, Gopäla Bhaööa, and Çréla Jéva Gosvämé. I offer my respectful obeisances to Lord Kåñëa Caitanya and Lord Nityänanda along with Advaita Äcärya, Gadädhara, Çréväsa, and other associates. I offer my respectful obeisances to Çrématé Rädhäräëé and Çré Kåñëa along with Their associates, Çré Lalitä and Viçäkhä. [Maìgaläcaraëa] he kåñëa karuëä-sindho déna-bandho jagat-pate gopeça gopikä-känta rädhä-känta namo 'stu te O my dear Kåñëa, You are the friend of the distressed and the source of creation. You are the master of the gopés and the lover of Rädhäräëé. I offer my respectful obeisances unto You. [Çré Kåñëa Praëäma] tapta-käïcana-gauräìgi rädhe våndävaneçvari våñabhänu-sute devi praëamämi hari-priye I offer my respects to Rädhäräëé whose bodily complexion is like molten gold and who is the Queen of Våndävana. You are the daughter of King Våñabhänu, and You are very dear to Lord Kåñëa. [Çré Rädhä Praëäma] väïchä-kalpa-tarubhyaç ca kåpä-sindhubhya eva ca patitänäà pävanebhyo vaiñëavebhyo namo namaù [Vaiñëava Praëäma] I offer my respectful obeisances unto all the Vaiñëava devotees of the Lord who can fulfill the desires of everyone, just like desire trees, and who are full of compassion for the fallen souls. çré kåñëa caitanya prabhu nityänanda çré advaita gadädhara çréväsädi-gaura-bhakta-vånda offer my obeisances to Çré Kåñëa Caitanya, Prabhu Nityänanda, Çré Advaita, Gadädhara, Çréväsa and all others in the line of devotion. “Dear master, kindly enlighten us in transcendental knowledge, which may act as a torchlight by which we may cross the dark nescience of material existence.” (Srimad-bhagavatam 4.31.7). “Because you are great personalities, you can give me real knowledge. I am as foolish as a village animal like a pig or dog because I am merged in the darkness of ignorance. Therefore, please ignite the torch of knowledge to save me.” (Srimad-bhagavatam 6.16.16). Hare Kåñëa hare Kåñëa, Kåñëa Kåñëa hare hare. Hare rama hare rama, rama rama, hare hare. Kåñëa Kåñëa Kåñëa Kåñëa Kåñëa Kåñëa Kåñëa he Kåñëa Kåñëa Kåñëa Kåñëa Kåñëa Kåñëa Kåñëa he Kåñëa Kåñëa Kåñëa Kåñëa Kåñëa Kåñëa rakña mäm Kåñëa Kåñëa Kåñëa Kåñëa Kåñëa Kåñëa pähi mäm Räma Räghava Räma Räghava Räma Räghava rakña mäm
Attention First Time Visitor to Saragrahi.Org ……… Below you will find a 4 Item array of Headers with Dark-Green Leaf icons on the Left-side. Right-Click with a Mouse, or Tapping with your finger on Devices with “Touch—Screens”; on the Header, will cause the Content of the Header Decription, to down down below the Header. ……… Please Execute each one in that order and read the Contents. ……… Then Execute the Item Header Labeled “Website Content Links”; which is at the top of this Home Page, has a Gold-Leaf-icon on the Left, with Gold curved borders on the left & right. … This will drop down a set of Button Links to all the Content Pages on this Website. …… Depending on which kind of Content you are intrested in; Execute in the same manner, with your mouse or finger, and when the Link is engaged, the Links Borders will be Wider, and depending on speed of your Internet Conection, the desired Website Conent Page will apear, instantly or within a few seconds . ........ ……… Attention First Time Visitor to Saragrahi.Org … Below you will find a 4 Item array of Headers with Dark-Green Leaf icons on the Left-side. Right-Click with a Mouse, or Tapping with your finger on Devices with “Touch—Screens”; on the Header, will cause the Content of the Header Decription, to down down below the Header. ……… Please Execute each one in that order and read the Contents. ……… Then Execute the Item Header Labeled “Website Content Links”; which is at the top of this Home Page, has a Gold-Leaf-icon on the Left, with Gold curved borders on the left & right. … This will drop down a set of Button Links to all the Content Pages on this Website. ……… Depending on which kind of Content you are intrested in; Execute in the same manner, with your mouse or finger, and when the Link is engaged, the Links Borders will be Wider, and depending on speed of your Internet Conection, the desired Website Conent Page will apear, instantly or within a few seconds. ……… ………
Website Content Links

By Upendranatha Dasa

Please understand that these Videos, some where tests, and other, where interviews, but you will see myself on how I work in my office. A very specific  one is in production, and will be posted, sometime in 2025; on the other hand, for the time being these pags  will serve it’s  purpose, of a  personal nature, introduce myself to you who have come across this website, or those who I have met on Face Book for the first time.. Jai Sri Nam ….Never forget that Sri-Nam is Identical in all respects, and aspects with Sri Krishna, there is no difference whats sso ever.

In addition you will ssee photos of a Historic Nature in Srila Prabhupada’s Movement of 1966 to 1978. One of a Kind and Original 

The Origin of the Jiva Controversy in Vrindavana 1963-1996

By Kundali & Satyanarayana dasa

About Website Construction

At this point, I have not written a report, that I desire to update at least every 3 months and preferably every month This will commence on the 1st of January 2025.  That report will be in an Item that will follow this one with the title “Website Construction & Reconstruction Progress Report”.

This Website, is while still under construction since 2022; I estimate its completion no later than 2030.  So far as of the date of posting this portion of the Home-Page; I have 1369 individual Web Pages.  When this Website is completed, I estimate there will be at least 6,000 to as many as 9,000 Web Pages.

The “Website Content Links” Item, that you see at the bottom, will specify 13 particular Categories of “General Content” that you will find on this website. Each one of these types of general content categories, usually has more than one Level of Sub-Conant.  For example, “Narration of Srila Prabhupada Books”; each of his books that have Audio Narrations, is a Sub-content, of his one Content Category.   Hence, there is a Level Structure in presenting this work on the Website, that more or less goes like this:

Level 1: “Narration of Srila Prabhupada’s Books”

Level 2: Srimad-Bhagavatamarration within level `.

Level 4: A Specific Canto withing Level 3.

Level 5: A Specific Chapter within Level 4.

Lever 6:  A Specific Verse within Level 5.

Some sub-content of a General Content Category, do not have these many of sub-levels; the point I   humbly request that you understand; is that in general, each lower level requires more work, than the previous level; however, it varies, with sometime one level takes 90 percent of the effort; but usually it is the former.

That being said, the reasons for this website is still under construction, and re-construction are:

On Reconstruction:

Of content posted from 29th of January 2022, to the 1st of November 2024; all 1,369 current Web Pages that have been posted; are being re-constructed to conform to the new format of Web Page Header and Content Design, which I have committed to, with the purpose of having consistency in appearance, functionality, and simplicity for those who visit and take advantage of the content of this website.    

On the functionality side, there will be only 4 kinds of Link Buttons (one is better known as an ‘Item’ or a ‘Header’), that you will easily learn to “Identify” and “Execute”.  The execute aspect is the same for all 4, but each has their own individual format by which you will identify them. 

On Construction:

I still have not finished posting of all the content that would complete a particular aspect of this website, which I started to post since January of 2022.  Or, because of my new plans to add Content, which have not been posted at all, as of yet.

I would also request that you understand, that all this work, this “construction” and “reconstruction” will be done in what is called “Real-Time”, which means;

“Real-time refers to the immediate and continuous processing of data or events as they occur, without any noticeable delay. In a real-time system, the response time is critical, as the information or actions must be delivered or executed within a specified time-frame to be effective. This concept is essential in various applications, such as live video streaming, air traffic control, and industrial automation, where the timely delivery of data is crucial for the system's functionality and user experience. Real-time processing enables immediate decision-making, rapid response to changes, and seamless interaction between users, devices, and the digital environment, making it a fundamental aspect of modern technology and the digital age.”

On who facilitates Saragrahi.org

To facilitate Saragrahi.org, I chose WordPress which is an open-source content management system (CMS) that is widely used for building and managing websites, blogs, and online applications. It was initially released in 2003 and has since grown to become one of the most popular and widely-used CMS platforms on the internet. WordPress is known for its user-friendly interface, extensive plugin ecosystem, and robust customization capabilities, making it a popular choice for individuals, small businesses, and large enterprises alike.  I chose WordPress because it provides the tools and flexibility to bring Saragrahi.org to life.

On the Development Software I use:

In my development software named Elementor-Pro, which is the most versatile, and sophisticated Web Page Builder; when I make changes, or add new content; they will appear on the Website on the Internet all over the World, as soon as I depress the “Update” Button. In this way, I can review the work I did to see if what it looks on the Internet, to make sure it is right-on, so to speak!  This Web Page Bilder, is software that allows one to “Design” and “Specify”.  Elementor Pro generates clean, semantic HTML and CSS code based on the design I create in the visual editor. It does not write any custom JavaScript or other complex code, ensuring my website remains lightweight and fast-loading.

Elementor Pro is a powerful and comprehensive WordPress plugin that has revolutionized the way users design and build their websites. As a premium version of the popular Elementor page builder, Elementor Pro offers a wide range of advanced features and tools that empower users to create stunning, professional-looking websites with ease.  

At the core of Elementor Pro is its intuitive drag-and-drop interface, which allows me to build and customize Saragrahi.org pages with a simple and user-friendly experience. With a vast library of pre-designed templates, widgets, and modules, Elementor Pro makes it easy for me to create a visually appealing and highly functional website, without the need for extensive coding.

One of the standout features of Elementor Pro is its extensive set of widgets and add-ons. These powerful tools enable me to create unique and engaging content, optimize Saragrahi.org for search engines, and enhance your overall user experience.

Moreover, Elementor Pro's advanced design capabilities allow me to fine-tune every aspect of Saragrahi.org, from typography and color schemes to animations and responsive design. With its intuitive controls and real-time previewing, users can experiment with different design elements and see the results instantly, making the design process more efficient and enjoyable.

What is a Saragrahi?
A saragrahi is a person who seeks the  essence of things.  In the Vedas, it is said that the swan is able to extract the milk from a  mixture of milk and water. The swan is therefore symbolic of  the discrimination required  to perceive and accept the essential spiritual truth regardless of the particular  form in which it is presented,
which may depend on time, place, and circumstances.  Such discrimination is the sine qua non  of progressive spiritual  life;  so much so that a saint of the highest spiritual attainment is honoured in India as a paramahamsa, "supreme swan".This site is devoted to the encouragement of the Saragrahi mentality primarily in relation to the philosophy, theology, and sadhana of Gaudiya Vaishnavism as presented by the acharyas Srila A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada, Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati Thakura, Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakura, and the Six Goswamis of Vrindavana.  However, we recognize that spiritual wisdom and truth are also to be found in non-Vedic sources of knowledge, such as the Christian tradition, the Western philosophical tradition, and modern psychology, among others.  Integration of ideas from such sources with the Vedic knowledge and the teachings of the acharyas are of great benefit to devotees living in modern society, particularly in the preaching field, and such diversity will frequently be incorporated into these pages.We hope to stimulate and help develop our readers' capacity for critical thinking with regard to spiritual truth, recognizing that such thinking is the means to attain a deep understanding of the essence of the teachings of shastra, sadhu, and guru. This is the sadhana of the madhyama-adhikari, and our site is intended primarily to fulfil the needs of this group of devotees and those who are aspiring to achieve this platform.  We will also accept contributions from any other individual whose contribution is solid and practical in character, quality, relevant, or important to the purpose of Saragrahi.org.  Our goal is to assist each other in discovering spiritual truth and its proper application in our individual circumstances.  We hope that our work will be of value to sincere devotees, and any other category of sincere persons, seeking like-minded association and the continual growth of understanding.For further clarification of the above, please read the following "Editorial Letters From The Facilitators" of this site.The New And Improved SaragrahiSaragrahi's Specific Vision About Free Speech And Civility
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Let It Be Clear Who Is Most Welcomed To The Saragrahi Web Site, And Who Is Not.Thank you for visiting our site.  We hope that you will find much of value to your spiritual life on these pages, and that many of you will participate with us in examining the philosophy and practice of Krishna consciousness for the benefit of all.  Hare Krishna, Hare Krishna, Krishna Krishna, Hare Hare
Hare Rama, Hare Rama, Rama Rama, Hare Hare
How to Navigate This Website

(NOTICE! :  These instructions are now being written, and they will be comopleted within 2 weeks.; if I am destined to do it by myself...Jai Sri Nam)

 

You have just executed what is known as an “Accordion-Widget”, thank you and I also Welcome you.

But before I explain, how you navigate the webpages of Saragrahi.Org, I need to inform you of some details.  When this website entered the internet in January of 2022, it was an accident, on my part.  I was developing it, and planned a launch date of sometime in the year 2024.  It was not ready at that time, but when I was checking out, how I could do development work, using a Smartphone, I made a big boo-boo, if you will, and without my knowledge, I accidentally touched a “Button” on a screen, which launched Saragrahi.Org it to the Internet-Space on this Planet Earth.  When I found out what I had done, I said to myself,

“Well maybe, it was destined, as all thing are, so I will just roll with it; there is no harm, with the exception, that some people will get confused or frustrated.  Śrīla Prabhupäda, once said ‘to make the best out of a bad-bargain’”.

I am a disciple of Śrīla Prabhupäda, and a HP Commuter Systems Consultant, who retired from doing this kind of activity in 1993, at age 47, and went to live in Vrindavan India; to use the remainder of my life, in cultivating Krishna-consciousness, as taught by my Spiritual Master Śrīla Prabhupäda.  I do have the necessary psyche, for this activity, however, I am an old man, age 79, legally blind, with some severe health, debilitations.  These facts, causes me to make many mistakes, and miscalculation, so to speak.   

The website building software I use is known by professionals in this kind of activity, as Elementor-Pro.   While building this website, I experimented with many kinds of ways of doing various types of activities, which are going to be required for the website I wanted to design and develop.  This work, is being done, in what is known as, “In Real-Time” (the actual time during which something takes place).  You may witness changes to a page you are viewing, instantly, as I make them, all because of the modern Internet speeds.

After a couple of years, I have become more knowledgeable, and able, in the various facilities, that Elementor Pro has to offer.  I have settled on certain facilities, in that regard, and have decided to make a complete re-design of how this website looks, and functions; while still having the ability to remain “Dynamic in to the Future”, in that it could grow and be functional, according to the principle of “time place, performer, and circumstance”, knows as “deça -käla-pätra”, which Śrīla Prabhupäda, my Spiritual Master wrote sufficiently about in his books.  Hence, I am now in this process, and I am trying, very hard, to still make it possible for this website to be accessible, to anyone, in a real-time environment.

As I start the modification of the different components of this website, I will write instructions on how to navigate that aspect, which I am making modifications.  Hence, each component of this website will have its own facility of having a written description of the component, and how to navigate it.  Currently, I have completed modification of the core aspect of this website, the 13 Saragrhi.Org Contents Pages. 

Saragrahi.Org as of the writing, consists of 1,121 website pages, and   26 development Templates, which will facilitate the modification activity.

Let me know describe this Entry Page (known as the Home Page), into Saragrahi.Org.

What is the Accordion Widget?

The Accordion Widget (AW), can be identified, by two features: A “Dark-Green” colored “Leaf-icon” on the “Left-Side”, and a “Plus-Sign” on the “Right-Side”, of the Widget.

The AW displays text or additional AWs in a collapsed, condensed manner, saving space, while presenting abundant content. Visitors can see descriptive titles, and selectively expand items, to see the content descripted by the AW (item/header).

While here, there was just one AW; on this Website you will sometimes encounter more than “One”; These are known as “Nested Accordion Items”.

Note For Neste AC’s:

  • All items are collapsed when a page is first loaded; they all have a Plus-Sign (+) on the Right Side of the Item, and a “Dark-Green” Leaf on the Left-Side.
  • Only one item of an Accordion can be expanded at a time, automatically collapsing the previously opened item.
  • When an Accordion Item is collapsed (expanded), the Plus-Sign, changes to a Minus-Sign (-).
  • When you have a Single Accordion Item, as you do at this time, you must “Click” or “Tap” on It Again, to Collapse It (close it). Therefore, please “Close” (Collapse) the Accordion Item after you are have read the following, and you are ready to proceed.

 

In regards to an AC, which displays “Text”, like this one.  This AC, when you hover over it, it will turn from “white” to “dark-Green”, “dark-Blue”, or “Magenta”. The Leaf will change from “dark-green” to “Magenta” or “Gold”, and the Text color of “Black”, or “Dark-Blue” will turn to “Gold” or “White” (the default is “gold” but I am human and I forget to change it to “white” which looks better). 

Additionally, when you “Expand” this AC, the color will remain “Dark-Green”, “Dark-Blue” or “Magenta” respectively, until you “Collapse” the AC, at which time, they will return to their original color of “White”.

The following Items on this Page, are known as “Button-Link’s.  They are symbolized by a “Dark-Blue”, “Dark-Green” or “Magenta rectangle at the Upper Right-Corner.  Each Link describes the Contents of Saragrahi.Org’s 13 Website Content Pages.  Depending, sometimes there is a need for more than a short phrase, or singles sentence.  In that case the longer the description of the link, it will simply get larger in height.  This is common on smartphones with have short width, which will cause a multi-sentence description Link to look “fat”, n pone intended; nevertheless, it will still function like an any other Button-link.

 If you “Hover” your Mouse-Pointer over the Link (or “Slightly-Touch” with your Finger on any kind “Touch-Screen” device); it will “Pulse & Grow Upwards”, and the Link will fill, complexly, with the color of the “Rectangle” in the “Upper-right” corner of the Link., and the Text Color will change from “Black” or “Blue”, to “White” or “Gold”.  It will continue to “Pulse & Grow Upwards”, until you decide to execute the Link,

You can execute the Link, by “Clicking” it with your Mouse, or taping on it with your finger on “Touch-Screen” Devices. Depending on the Speed of your Internet Connection, the Button-Link will continue to “Pule-and-Grow”., until the Internet executes it. In my experience, in testing, the execution is usually instantaneous, but sometime may take a few seconds. In addition, these kind of “Button-Links”; their descriptions can be “short” or “long”, depending on the need.  Nevertheless, they all function in the same way.  On this website, they range from “2 letter initials”, “single word”, “a phrase”, to “single to multiple word sentences”. The only problem with “multiple word” sentence Links, is that they always look “bulgy” on smartphones when it is held in the “Portrait” position.

This initial website page, is basically showing you what the “Link” components of this website are. 

As an extra bonus, I have made “Śrīla Prabhupäda Chanting Japa” with his Disciple of the Los Angeles Temple in 1973, for your listening pleasure.  You may also download this track, to have it on your computer or smartphone.

When you decide to enter one of the components of Saragragra.Org, you do not need to return to this Page again.  At the Top of each Content-Page, you will see an AC with the title “Saragrahi.Org Content Links”, which will display the same items as you see on this Page.  This WC you will find at Top of each Content Page for your convenience.

The Following, are the Particulars, Which are Used to Navigate This Website
 
Introduction to the New & Improved Saragrahi.Org

Dear Saragrahi Reader.

Please make yourself familiar with the “How to Navigate the Saragrahi.Org Website " page, and the How to Contact Saragrahi.Org's Facilitator”, which are both found on the “Essential Information & Instructions” Content Page (Link Button labeled “ FYI & Instruction” in the Link Box Labeled “About Saragrahi.Org”, which can be accessed from any “Website Content Links” Accordion Link, which you will find on at the top of every Web Page on this Website. 

There you will find the new and improved Saragrahi policies regarding this forum.  If you have any comments and suggestions, they will be most welcomed.  Below you will find a general letter written by myself, "The Facilitator" of this forum. It basically describes and sets the mood for the reopening of this forum.

We should not assume that people are insincere.  But why should we assume they are sincere?  There is no sound reasoning to assume one way or the other.  What makes a lot of sense is that we let their words/actions speak for themselves.   If we find that the words and actions are sincere, fine, and if we find them insincere, equally well, and good. 

Saragrahi is not one of those “why cannot we all just get along” type of places.  This is a discussion group.  And the theme running through all the discussions, hopefully, is discerning between shadow and substance.  Some of you are keener to exercise this muscle, so to speak, and so you may be willing to risk being wrong ,and say your piece in an open forum.  Others are more comfortable being “safe” by being silent, or making presentations in a manner which they consider “palatable”.  However, the exercise is to dissect things to see if they hold actual merit. 

The point of this exercise is to develop the ability to extract that which has substance, and is valuable from the  fantasy, the castle in the air, the daydream, the illusion, the pipedream, the rainbow, the whim, the whimsy, the wishful thinking and, from the fanciful and extravagant plan or desire.  And in doing so, learning to stand with one’s convictions.  This is not just a matter of assessing the content of things, but sometimes the people who advance the ideas as well, which is something we all do anyway.  Nevertheless, some absurd social convention has it that we do not do this openly.  But social convention is never the first concern of any Saragrahi.  Most social conventions are servants of group illusions, after all. 

What we have here is an open forum in which those who submit any type of article will stand or fall on their own merit and at their own risk.  And those who read the postings are totally free to choose what they want to read and disregard the rest.  As facilitator of this forum, I will do likewise, choose what I want to read, choose what I write, choose how I want to present my views, and so can everyone else.  Why, then, should anyone observing (including the facilitators) any such exchange be negatively influenced; like saying they are disappointed, say that it is sick, say that it is offensive, or feel that they do not like what is being said, etc.?  If anyone has such sentiments, then it is their right.  However, it is also their right to, or not to, reply.  The onlookers (including the facilitators) can choose to follow the exchange or give it a miss.  As facilitator of this forum, I certainly feel no obligation to be a crowd-pleaser in a debate-type scenario, and neither should anyone else. 

If you are in an exchange with someone, you reserve the right to play your shots according to your lights, not by anticipating the onlookers’ (including the facilitators) point of view and then make your moves.  It is fascinating to see that people feel that because they are observing two people in an intense discussion, that the participants must anticipate the audience (or the facilitators) and play to the audience (or the facilitators), rather than deal with the situation as they see fit.  Politicians do that, because truth is not their agenda, getting elected to office is their agenda.  But for us, truth is the agenda, as we believe it, not according to the masses. 

 If a reader does not care for someone’s approach or point of view, then the reader can move on to something that does appeal to him/her.  Or they can counter with a reply.  This makes good sense and it would be wonderful to hear any alternative that makes even more sense.  You have complete freedom to choose who, and what you want to read, what you want to write, so that you will not feel alienated or annoyed to the extent that you would want to give up the whole website.  Our advice is that you should simply skip over the postings that do not interest you, for whatever reason.  After all, you do the same thing reading a newspaper or magazine, so why should Saragrahi be any different? 

What is the value of condemning anyone else, what to speak of condemning just because he or she does not agree with our way of thinking?   Hence the following is a response to the basic question of “condemning” people, or to be more accurate, condemning the ideas of people. 

The value in dissecting something, and calling a spade a spade, is that we learn not to be taken in by shadow, believing it to be substance. The value is in our refusal to be taken in by the sweet and plausible lies that tend to slip by us daily, in the guise of truth, of wisdom, when in reality, half-truths are also lies, what to speak of complete lies. That is the value. 

Nevertheless, it is not a big deal if someone feels smug about being able to separate truth from falsity.  It would not bother anyone at all.  In any case, a smug sense of satisfaction is hardly the issue.  Learning to discern truth from illusion, even at the risk of error, that is the satisfaction.  As facilitator of this forum, I would say that those who get alienated and shut down by animated discussion are probably simply not fit for the Saragrahi-type enterprise.

Any comments in this regard would gladly be posted for as facilitator of this forum I think that this would be a great way to give rebirth, so to speak, to this forum which started to die in early 2001, and which has been “dead” for over 21 years now.

Upendranath Dasa 09/09/2024

13 Comments

  1. Steve says:

    Have you taken down Kundali books?

  2. Ashok Moitro says:

    🌹🌹🌹Hare Krishna 💐💐💐

  3. s007bala
    ALP DearbornSuresh says:

    Hare Rama Krishna ❤️

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  4. Beautiful set up and graphics.. With regards Hare Krishna Yasoda nandana dasa

  5. Hosea das says:

    This site is soo helpful hare Krishna

  6. dinaanu
    dinaanu says:

    Hare Krsna prabhu. Thank you for making this site. A humble suggestion… the background colours are too harsh and hurt the eyes, making it hard to read the content…. for your kind info, pls

    1. Upendranath Dasa – Disciple of A.C. Bhaktividanta Swami Prabhupada
      Upendranath Dasa says:

      Prabhu,
      I appreciate your comment; and have taken it to heart.
      Please Note that this Website is going through an extensive modification, (in real-time), to Headers & Footers, that will take several months to complete. The writing Content will remain the same.
      You were not specific, so I will assume to meant EVERYTHING!.
      No Worries! No Problemo! I have learned a better way of doing the Headers and Footer; especial the scheme for the Links, which will be more uniform.
      I have finished “re-modeling” the Home, Website-Content, and all Other-Menus. I am now working on the few Essays (8), that I posted (I still have a few hundred to post). Tell me what you think????
      In a few days I will begin “re-modeling”, the Time-Period “Prologued” & “81”, of the Featured Presentation Number 2, Srila Prabhupada Antya-lila. When I finish that, I will proceed to edit, format, and then post to the Website, Time-Periods “82”, “83”, “84”, “85”, and “86”. I estimate that it will take me the rest of this year to complete.
      Thank You Very Much For Your Appreciation.

    1. Upendranath Dasa – Disciple of A.C. Bhaktividanta Swami Prabhupada
      Upendranath Dasa says:

      Hare Krishna and always remember that Sri-nam is completely equal to Sri Krishna.
      Have you looked at Feature Presentation #1 “Moving Forward” ?

    2. Upendranath Dasa – Disciple of A.C. Bhaktividanta Swami Prabhupada
      Upendranath Dasa says:

      Hare Krishna to you too!

      However, that is not a Comment on any part of this Website, its format, style, looks, and especially on the CONTENT material; you know what I mean.

      This is not a Face-Book (I mean “Butt-Face), kind of Website.
      This is not a “Mutual Admiration Society”.

      This a Website to Introduce the Authentic Srila Prabhupada’s Mission’s, to a New Comer, an Kanistha-adhikari,and especially to promote the elevation of a Neophyte, or Komala, Vaisnava to the Madhyama platformj; by engaging in SADHU-SANGA (Istagoshi)

      1. great idea sadhu sanga is everything really we become like who we assocoate with when O when will realize that we need to become actual sadhus first that was possible when I joined in 72 we were all for the most part centered on Prabhupada cooperating to follow his instructions so we were making progress by following his instructions cooperating together for him because Prabhupada said that is how you will prove your love for me.so progress in spiritual life was so very tangible for me now we must try to just remember Prabhupada together and speak about our realizations we have gotten from him in this way we will have sadhus sanga with Prabhupada., As soon as we remember Prabhupada especially by remembering his instructions to us we are in his association we can discus that point.

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