“Moving Forward”
Section “ONE”
The “Guru” Controversy & Deception Issues
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Segment 9.5
ISKCON’s Current Guru System
Part 5

The GBC, the temple presidents, sannyasis, and gurus who have been selected by ecclesiastical convention, and the ordinary members of ISKCON, who support these leaders, are all colluding in maintaining this practice.  Knowing or un-knowing, this offence is known as the mad-elephant offence that has made ISKCON, Useless and thus Ruined.

Let’s see what else Srila Prabhupada had to say about “Rubber-Stamping”.

Room Conversation — April 22, 1977, Bombay:


“No, you become guru, but you must be qualified first of all. Then you become.

Tamala Krishna:

“Oh, that kind of complaint was there.”


“Did you know that?”

Tamala Krishna:

“Yeah, I heard that, yeah.”


What is the use of producing some rascal guru?

Tamala Krishna:

Well, I have studied myself and all of your disciples, and its clear fact that we are all conditioned souls, so we cannot be guru. Maybe one day it may be possible…”

[Comment:  Note that Tamala Krishna said about 6 months prior to the disappearance of Srila Prabhupada that he and all the other disciples, are conditioned souls and cannot be guru.  Nevertheless, he and 10 other unscrupulous persons commandeered Srila Prabhupada’s Krishna consciousness Movement. Moreover, very soon after his disappearance, in early 1978.  these 11 swindlers declared themselves as fully qualified gurus and Uttama-adhikaris. They instantly, in just 10 months went from “conditioned soul” to qualified “gurus”.  Srila Prabhupada said,

“You become guru, but you must be qualified first of all. Then you become.”

These 11 charlatans must have inferred this to mean that a GBC resolution, can magically, convert these obviously, conditioned souls, into qualified gurus.  There was a 12th CBC and sannaysi, a personal friend of mine, who personally informed me, that he was approached by two of these eleven, with the specific reason of having him join the hi-jacking of ISKCON.  He refused, and said that he would not have anything to do with such a scheme.   Asking them why they are doing this, one of them replied,

“It is because of the Money”, “Prabhu”!

[End of Comment]

Prabhupada: “Hm.”

Tamala Krishna: “…but not now.”


“Yes. I shall choose some guru. I shall say, ‘Now you become acharya. You become authorized.‘  I am waiting for that. You become all acharya. I retire completely. But the training must be complete.

Tamala Krishna:

“The process of purification must be there.”


“Oh, yes, must be there. Caitanya Mahaprabhu wants that. [Caitanya-caritamrita-Madhya-lila 7.128: ‘You become guru.’ (laughs) But be qualified. Little thing, strictly follower…”

[Comment:  Why would the disciples of Srila Prabhupada, attending this conversation, “LAUGH”?  The reason they laughed is that all of Srila Prabhupada disciples, understood that they were not qualified to be Guru like Srila Prabhupada himself.]

Tamala Krishna:

Not Rubber Stamp.


Then you’ll not be effective. You can cheat, but it will not be effective. Just see our Gaudiya Matha. Everyone wanted to become guru, and a small temple and “guru.” What kind of guru? No publication, no preaching, simply bring some foodstuff.”

In the early years after Srila Prabhupada’s departure, many disciples organized and protested what the GBC did.  There were essays and papers written, and meetings that addressed this issue of an unauthorized Guru protocol.  What was the result of many years of such protest, and argument, you may ask?  The answer is,

“The leaders of this protesting movement, were by GBC vote; rubber-stamped gurus, as well.  Hence, without leaders, this protesting movement, dissipated like a ‘fart’ in the wind.”

It is not a hard conclusion to make that Srila Prabhupada Krishna consciousness movement is in trouble because of an unauthorized Guru protocol, and is on the verge of the same fate as Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura’s Gaudiya Matha.  

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